Profections and birth rectification

While I was writing the article about profections, for a strange coincidence I received the latest  number of Phos, the journal issued by CieloeTerra for their members, dedicated to same subject.

The article written by Marco Fumagalli, very beautiful in the content and sophisticated for graphics, on line here, uses profections to rectify birth times. It gives many examples, included Michael Jackson birth chart, confirming the birth time as rectified by Ben Dykes in his well known article. This is not a new technique: profections can be used as a rectification tool together other astrological tools.

A profection consists in progressing the horoscope and the other points of the chart 30 degrees per year- a slight variant is offered in Marco Fumagalli article.

But its progression is not discrete, it does not jump of 30 degrees from one year to another, it moves along the ecliptic (or the primum mobile according Cieloeterra variant): if we consider the usual method of profecting along the ecliptic, we should move of 30°/365 days= 0.082 degrees per day, ie  2.46 degrees per month.

From this, like directions, profections can be used in order to rectify the birth chart when we are unsure about the birth time.

Francesco Giuntini gives us an example in his Speculum Astrologiae ((  Speculum astrologiae, universam mathematicam scientiam, in certas classes digestam, complectens. Autore Francisco Junctino… Accesserunt etiam commentaria absolutissima in duos posteriores Quadripartiti Ptolemaei libros, innumeris observationibus referta, & certissimis aphorismis (quatenus ex siderum positione liceat christiano more aliquid conjicere) ex probatissimorum astrologorum scriptis depromptis insignita. Quid in priori & posteriori tomo contineatur, elenchus post epistolam ad lectorem sujunctus, indicabit. Omnia sub censura sanctae Ecclesiae catholicae Romanae. Tomus prior. Lugduni : in officina Q. Phil. Tinghi apud Simphorianum Beraud, 1581 )). In front of the uncertainty of the birth time the astrologer has several method to rectify the chart: through the animodar, through the Trutine of Hermes, but the best method is the rectification by accident: directions, transits and profections. In particular:

1) per directions of the horoscope to its  promissors in the nativities;

2) per profections of the horoscope degree to its promissors in the return;

3) per planetary transit on the degree of the horoscope.

But Giuntini gives an example he knows very well. He starts explaining the method, which is very easy, more than primary directions 🙂 even if  the reader is told that  directions are the most important of the three methods.

Count the days between the birthday and the day of the accident, in the year where the accident occurred. And search these days in the table of profections, and  in the vertical line at right you will find the degree and the minutes which are between the profected horoscope and the promissor, and take  those degrees . To those degrees and minutes, if you take away degrees and minutes of promissor, the remainder produces the true degree and minute of the horoscope. Example: in the 39th year the ruler of the year was Saturn and the profected horoscope was progressed at 22°39′ Aquarius. I searched a direction to the body of Mars. And the distance from the profected horoscope, namely 22°39′ to the body of Mars are 24°49′, which give (as evident from the following table) 303 days, which corresponds to the moment of the accident.


This is the corresponding page of the table – these are the complete tables in PDF 

profected degrees for days
profected degrees for days

We need to illustrate the method with an example- the very same chart of Francesco Giuntini.

Francesco Giuntini aka Junctinus of Florence, Florence, 8 March 1522
Francesco Giuntini aka Junctinus of Florence: Florence, 8 March 1522, h:1:34 AM

We know that we should use different methods together in order to get the real Ascendant.

Let’s start from Animodar, ie using the degree of that planet which has the greatest dignity on the preceding sygygy.
The syzygy falls at 17 Pisces, where Jupiter has its domicile, Venus the exaltation, Mars the triplicity (it’s a night chart), Mercury the term. Let’s choose Mars, which is with the syzygy and with the MC in the New Moon chart, and let’s put 17° on MC, we will have a new Ascendant at 22.39 Sagittarius.

Then let’s go  with directions. Giuntini lists several directions he got with this new birth time: at the age of 5  the Ascendant arrived at the square of the Sun, at 16 to Venus sextile, at 18 Venus trine at MC, at 29 the trine of Mars at MC, at 53 Saturn to the Ascendant.

We are flying on them because we want focus our attention on rectification by profection.

At 39 while in Venice Giuntini was jailed because of false accusations and obliged to fly abroad. The Sun was arrived by direction to Mars terms. But we can find something else too.

Giuntini was jailed on the 4th January 1561; the profected horoscope for the previous birthday (on the 8th March 1560) was arrived at 22°39′ Aquarius.

We should think the  profected horoscope as in motion during the year. How long does it take to arrive to Mars which is between the profected horoscope of the current and the next year? Please notice that Mars in this chart is the ruler of the fourth house, which signifies prison and loss of wealth.

Sign Degree Minutes
11 17 28 Mars
10 22 39 Profected horoscope
0 24 50 Distance between Mars and the profected horoscope

Now let’s check in the table: this distance corresponds to 303 days from 8 March 1560, ie exactly the 4th January 1551, the day of the event.

Let’s see with a modern software:

inside the natal chart, outside the profected horoscope for the given event
inside the natal chart, outside the profected horoscope for the given event

As we see the profected horoscope is arrived exactly on Mars.

We can conclude that the rectification made by the Ptolemaic method of Animodar fits both with directions and profections and let us know the exact birth time.

For this article I should thank Marco Fumagalli of CieloeTerra, with his research which can be read in Cieloeterra site which lead me to search some traditional source for this tool, together with his personal letters where he gave me a new rectification for this chart using CieloeTerra method. Details of the method in use at CieloeTerra are given by Giuseppe Bezza in the same site, in the article “La profezione: come si calcola, come si interpreta.

Written by Margherita Fiorello, CIDA certified member, for heaven astrolabe blog @ year 2010. If you want to be notified the next time I write something, subscribe to my RSS feed.



Giuseppe Bezza, La profezione: come si calcola, come si interpreta in Linguaggio Astrale n.104, Autumn 1966

Marco Fumagalli, Gli incontri di profezione in Phos 19, December 2009

16 thoughts on “Profections and birth rectification

  1. Wow, this will be of GREAT help to me.
    Thank you very much, Margherita

  2. sir i was interest in birth rectification
    date of birth 25.05.1963
    00.55 am anakapalli., visakha dist andhra pradesh., india 1741n 8303 e
    working bank officer .,
    wife una devi 08.02.1968 13.50 1741n 8303 e rohini star
    daughter 10.09.1992 21.30 1750n 8259 e satabhisham star
    son 31/07/1995 17.12 1750n 8259 e
    after my birth father died 6 months
    job 03.03.1988
    marriage 03.03.1991
    please rectify my birth time
    thank you
    asn murty63

  3. Hi Margherita,
    Kindly please help me rectify my birth time. My mother told me that I was born after midnight in Saigon Vietnam, on Dec. 8, 1964. My father died on Feb. 14,1990. My mother died on Feb.13,2005, I had a miscarriage on Feb. 23 or 24 from memory, and my full sister died on March 9, 2005. Someone told me that we had 3 counts of deaths in our family in less than a month apart. I departed Philippines on Nov.6,1997 at night, then arrived in Melbourne Australia on an early morning of Nov.7,1997. Up to now I’m still living here in Australia as an Australian Citizen.
    I got married on Dec 16,1999, in Australia, our marriage lasted only 1 year, then my divorce was realist on Jan 15,2002. I met my current husband sometime in Aug,2000. We got married on March 22,2002
    My 1st daughter was born in the Philippines on Sept 14,1985, and my 2nd daughter was born on Aug 17,1987 in the Philippines as well. Both of my daughters were illegitimate. After 20 years I gave birth again to my 3rd daughter in Australia, on Oct.21,2007, from current Australian husband. I hope this could you to help me find my true birth time. Thank you very much for this website. God Bless…

    kind regards,

  4. Hi Margherita,

    I’me interested in having my chart rectified.

    Are you still offering this service

  5. If the profected Ascendant is 22.22 of Aquarius, this leaves us 7.38 more till the end of the sign. To this, add 17.28 which is Mars’ place in the next sign, Pisces, and you get 25.06, the actual distance in degrees and minutes between the two points. This would mean about 307 days.
    Could you please explain how you arrived at the figure of 24.50 (and hence 303 days)?
    Thank you.

  6. Hi Mansoor

    Would you please help me in my birth time rectification? It will be great help. Can you please give me your email ID?

    Many Thanks

    @ Mansoor Nazeer:

  7. hi i wanted to rectify my birth time
    how much is the cost please let me know

  8. hello
    “Giuntini tables of profections.pdf
    is not available anymore, could you put it online again please
    thank you and congratulation

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